Forum :
SGX Stocks
Topic :
2nd Liner Prop Stocks
Oops, didn't realise there were questions asked.
Orchid: yes, future net profits are worked into RNAV, and discounted by a rate one deems suitable. So, profits have an impact.
RNAV should not be the sole reason to buy a stock. Personally, I like to look for catalysts, in addition to using RNAV as an added incentive and cushion should the catalysts not surface. Pure earnings stocks without RNAV to back up can plunge on earnings disappointment or loss of old business, for eg.
As an example, when I looked at CES when it was below 50ct, it was not RNAV per se that made me invest in it, but the string of catalysts listed in my earlier posts (launch of Alexandra shops, PS100, Tower Melbourne). Then, as I add in the future profit stream (lots of its props were already pre-sold), I discovered that its RNAV could surge substantially.
So, if catalysts are lacking, and a co is losing money, again you have to see if it's a one-off loss, or recurrent, etc. And if there are many positive catalysts apart from that lack of earnings, you then have to consider which side the final judgment tilts towards.
Boh Tea: RNAV is about assumptions and estimates, and hence, my estimates were based on certain assumptions, naturally. I think my estimate for HH floats between the co keeping ZP for recurrent income (which would have a low value) and finally selling it off after 2 years (which would give a high value; note I think the 2 year thing is to avoid tax). I then decided on an "in between" kind of figure.
I understand the co is taking up 1 or 2 floors of the office space, but this is insignificant compared to the total GFA of the 2 hotels, retail and office spaces.
COSTs: Sorry, I don't quite understand the part where you talk about cost. RNAV is based on estimates and assumptions, which are necessary for you to arrive at any figure. You have to "stop" somewhere between the most optimistic and most pessimistic scenarios, otherwise you can never arrive at any RNAV. That's why10 other people doing a calculation on RNAV will arrive at 10 different figures, depending on where they "stop" in that scale of scenarios.
For eg, in the case of Heeton, taking The Lumos alone, my estimate is based on a final selling price of $2,000 psf for its remainder units. This is $500 psf lower than the current price the co is trying to sell at, and $1,000 psf below the prices of the units they had already sold. I could "stop" at $2,500 psf, or $1,500 psf, but I chose $2,000 psf, which to me, at this moment, is reasonably "doable", taking into account they did not sell any unit at their current asking price of $2,500-2,700 psf, and also that a stock clearance sale of $1,500 psf would be unnecessarily pessimistic.
erelation: Yes, Heeton is not able to sell any unit at iLiv and the remainder units at Lumos, and that's a negative. I also dislike the fact that they have not monetized Sun Plaza, and has changed plans for El Centro (being rented out again instead of being redeveloped as expected earlier). However, it is exposed like KSH to several projects with retail shops, and these will likely be sold at good margins.
Heeton has also presold a good number of units at The Boutiq, Sky Green and Palacio, allowing some steady stream of profit. At the same time, because there are so few issued shares, the effects of profits and asset value on a per share basis are quite substantial. Also, it turns out that holding Sun Plaza had not been too bad a move considering that retail space prices have gone up a lot.
RNAV calculation is an art and not a science. So there will always be questions on why this assumption is taken or why another estimate is not chosen. I can only say that the figures given in my table earlier are only "my" estimates of the RNAVs - one of perhaps 100 estimates that can be arrived at by 100 different people. I don't think my estimate is "right" but just "one of many possible estimates".
Finally, do use RNAV in conjunction (perhaps as a support) with your takes on catalysts, theme plays, market timing, new flows, management's trustworthiness and agility, etc. Ultimately, it is demand and supply for a share that affects the share price, not RNAV per se.
Btw, I am currently busy with some personal business, so I may not be able to contribute for the time being.
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